9/22/2017

Proposal #3 - The Omnibus Proposal

Sep 21 at 10:51 PM
FuNHL Proposal

Short summary:
1) Abolish IR rule
2) Abolish Waiver Wire (as there will be no “waived” players)
3) Reduce to one WD with set date in early-mid December each year
4) Allow unlimited promotion/demotion of prospects (like a farm team) without penalty

Detailed explanation (TL; DR):

We have always tried to emulate the NHL as much as possible, while trying to keep the complexity of rules and laborious management to a minimum. The IR rule, while well intended, has stopped being what it was supposed to be, and is now mostly used after WD2 once there is no penalty to use it. By allowing promotion of prospects (see below), the IR rule becomes largely moot, and allows GMs to either plan wisely for potential injury, or make trades to address issues that arise.

The waiver wire arose as a consequence of prospect promotion, but is very onorous to maintain and monitor. Sometimes a rare player of some utility (who is not morbidly injured) comes along, but most of the WW discards were out for lengthy periods or bottom end players. By allowing GMs to promote prospects and send players back to the “farm” team, the would be WW discard remains with the team. If another team see utility in that player, who is not in use by their owning GM, there is a ripe opportunity to make a trade offer to acquire said player. As such, I don’t believe dropping the WW would reduce trading.

Each year we have a small number of undrafted players who turn out to exceed expectations, and these are picked up at WD1. But by WD2, deck chairs on the Titanic are shuffled, and the drops are of minimal utility, such that less than half the teams in the league even improve marginally through WD2. In our busy lives, the amount of work to prepare for WD2 far exceeds its utility. Moreover the intent of added gatherings/interaction via WDs is lost by WD2, often with barely half the GMs actively “attending” by phone/online, and most drafting by proxy. I think we lose little of value by dropping WD2. We can keep WD1 and set a fixed date (eg 2nd Saturday of December each year) so people can plan for it. The drop rules would stay the same, protect an active roster minus two, and keep prospects. The only difference is that players demoted to the “farm” would by default be protected but this would in turn expose more prospects if they have been brought up. Either way, the same number of players are available as usual. I hope with just one WD that we can achieve greater participation too.

All of this derives from the free promotion/demotion of prospects. This makes GM have to consider not only the long term value of futures (eg next years anticipated #1 pick) against the insurance of depth players who can step in for injury. This is exactly what NHL GMs have to consider when they manage a farm team and NHL roster as both future and immediate value have merit. It also creates greater utility for prospects, giving them added value (and attraction) for trade purposes. We do not increase the number of prospects (as I think 8 long term locked up players is ample) as there is justifiable resistance to have even more players tied up and undraftable each year.

Here is the End of the Long Version of Proposal for Voting.


Thank you

Bob

21 comments:

Douglas McLachlan said...

Highlanders vote yes.

V for Vendetta said...

Personal Vendetta vote YES

Scourge said...

I preferred the original Cameron proposal but will vote yes to this

Red Five said...

Yes

Bladerunner said...

Thinking on but really dislike the zero cost for promotion (good with the rest of it even if i prefer to keep WD2)

Bladerunner said...

Vote NO for now so on record

wildwolf said...

Do not like unlimited prospect promotion. Just increases roster to 30 players. I like WD2.

I think the Wavier drafts should be on a evening instead if Bob is okay with a later night. That way weekend is free for family/work activities. Do any of us still work evenings that they cannot schedule out of.

Scourge said...

8:00 at a pub. Brian buys the 1st round

Bladerunner said...

at a pub when -- before voting polls close or after? Bob arrives in town Thursday -- voting closes Wed midnight :-)

sure i'll buy first round. fri night -- bob, doug and i all staying at hotel .. so pub on fri night near hotel good

Moriarty said...

The Shadow votes NO

The Shadow liked Cameron's original proposal, especially the increase in prospects, which going to 10 prospects, could convince me to lose wd2.

Further, I am uncertain about the waiver draft rules - 8 drops, but from where?

Moriarty said...

Rob left a comment but not a vote.

Scourge said...

I meant I buying first rd at wd2 but sure. I’ll be there Friday and may even leave work early. Any room in the bathtub in case I can’t drive home ?

Templar said...

Templar votes NO.
IR concerns expressed in Proposal #1.
Omnibus Proposals never settle issues without forcing others on people.

NO.

Red Five said...

It is a shame that there is little time left to flesh this out, as one of the main stumbling blocks is the proposition of unlimited prospect promotion. There seems to be agreement that the current system of promotion with the waiver wire, and the current IR rule, are less than ideal (there is less consensus on the utility of WD2, I know), and it would be nice to find a system to fix all three of the more "consensus" issues (WW, IR and prospect promotion) before a new season begins. (I hope that summary is not misrepresenting GMs views, apologies if you feel misrepresented)

It is frustrating when the majority see the existing structure as flawed, yet a consensus remedy eludes us...

Bladerunner said...

True Dan - discussions started to occur a bit too late. It would be much easier for me to vote yes to this proposal exceptthat IMO there needs to be some sort of limitation or cost - even minor instead of unlimited promotion of prospects. ex. as Corey and Mike G have stated - some sort of max amount of time a prospect could be used before a permanent decision made.

Red Five said...

OK well Bob will probably kill me for this, but I'm going to propose a revision that addresses at least some of the concerns raised:

1) Abolish IR rule
2) Reduce need for Waiver Wire (as there will be limited period where it would be needed - see below)
3) Reduce to one WD with set date in early-mid December each year
4) Divide prospect management into three phases:
Phase One - First 5 FuNHL lineups (since the 1st one can be short)
Phase Two - Week 6 lineup through to the WD in December
Phase Three - WD to end of season

During Phase One, prospects can be promoted and roster players demoted without penalty
During Phase Two, any further promotion/demotion (including sending a prospect back down and re-promoting the farmed "roster" player - in other words changing your mind) would have a cost. The first change would cost GM their 1st round WD pick, the second change would cost their 2nd round pick and so on.
At the WD, any non-prospects residing on the "farm" would be automatically released to be drafted by any team (status retained, FPs exempt) - Prospects unpromoted are exempt as usual
Teams still have to also release a benched roster plus 2 as usual so the potential depth of players at WD is improved
During Phase Three (after the WD), no prospect can be demoted (in part since the corresponding roster player has been released). Late prospect promotion (during phase three, after WD) would require release of a roster player to a limited one week Waiver Wire similar to current process - should be minimal

Discuss.

:-)

Douglas McLachlan said...

Yes, Bob will probably kill you for this.

I maintain my yes vote for the original proposal. I will also vote for this proposal as either a friendly amendment to the original Proposal #3 or as a new, late submitted, Proposal #3A.

Moriarty said...

Nice Try, Dan (and Doug) ;-}

But this truly last second. It is not acceptable for it will need to be discussed further either at the entry draft or later [cringe]. Of course, if everyone supports it, whom am I to say No other than it is messy, these phases.

For example, why 5 line-ups, not 4 (as 10 games are completed by then so you know would be sticking with the team, and who wouldn't be).

And now we keep the WW?

We shall see what the Discussion brings. But the Vote for Proposal #3, NOT 3A

Sorry, Dan

Templar said...

I kind of want to poke Dan in the eye over this amended proposal.
Now we are making things far to convoluted. We are trying to simplify things, not make things more difficult for whom ever is keeping track of all this.

The proposed 'Limited Prospect Movement' clause I laid out in response to another proposal is much cleaner.

POKE

Bladerunner said...

Brian here - snorting in laughter lol. That said - I love more complexity to the pool but am in the minority on that

Brian for Bob:

Results: 6 Yes, 4 No, 1 Abstain, 1 Quitter = 6/12

thank you for participating

Bob

Bladerunner said...

Sorry - Proposal does not pass